midi踏板接triaxis

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  1. fulank li

    fulank li New Member

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    我近幾天買了rocktron midi mate,但是接進triaxis後卻無法控制triaxis的midi介面,請問一下是不是有什麼設定程序?我看了說明書還是不知問題在哪裡,不知有沒有人有類似經驗?望各位前被不吝賜教...

    謝謝
     
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    吸低....大部分的人說不能控制有一半是接錯線了...

    另外一半是不會設定...
    MIDI要會動作必須控制和被控制的人說同一種語言...不然就會變成 雞同鴨講了

    上面的意思是MIDI Channel要設一樣,這樣兩台機器才搭的上。

    而受控機器本身可能還有更多MIDI設定的功能,最好能恢復原廠設定。讓事情變的單純一點。
     
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    我有想過兩台機器會否雞同鴨講,還特地都reset過,大概後來又配我亂搞...我會再重新reset一次...

    線應該沒接錯,我也有換線試試看,所以應該可以排除這部分的問題

    晚上回家再試試看好了...

    謝謝回答
     
  5. Rockiller

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    假拍謝...我就是那個MIDI線沒分IN跟OUT的小弟弟...>_<

    li大哥...midi mate我有reset過了...
    不過我只用過在Voodu valve 上...
    除了controller mode 太深奧我不會玩
    但其他兩個mode都能正常使用...


    請再放感情試看看...若還是不行...我可以買回>_<...謝謝!!
     
  6. wizardma

    wizardma Active Member

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    如果想要知道更深入的MIDI控制運用,可以提出來。
    我也有方法監測你的MIDI踏板是否正常運作。
    還有建議熟讀兩個設備的MIDI支援到什麼程度。有關MIDI的設定部份也要全都知道才能得心應手。

    還有最重要的,請先研究MIDI在控制上的相關基礎。
    比如說MIDI的指令格式,MIDI的命令種類。
    因為我自己設計過一個簡易MIDI踏板,對這方面有點涉獵。
    歡迎討論深入的問題。
     
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    fulank li New Member

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    能告訴我用什麼方法可以檢測midi踏板是否正常運作嗎?
    我把說明書再看了看也沒什麼頭緒,也都沒提到插上去後要如何設定,而midi mate所要做的設定我也做了,一般是不是midi線一接好就可以用了?

     
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    Wizard會說的方法
    應該都要你連上PC看send出來的信號
    這需要有連接的USB-MIDI kit(或是其他界面轉MIDI)
    然後有很多用來偵測midi動作的程式可以用
     
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    我要澄清的是Traixis說明書是有說明MIDI設定的方法,不過說明書的編排不是很好,不是很有系統,也沒有MIDI支援表。

    我想先請問一下踏板的MIDI CHANNEL是多少?
    Triaxis的MIDI Channel是多少?

    如果都不知道就是說明書沒看仔細,以及對MIDI基礎的認知不夠。

    如果都一樣了,假設MIDI踏板在預設狀態,踩1應該會送出Program Change ,假設Triaxis也在預設狀態,就會呼叫Preset 1。Program 和Preset的關係可以經過MAPPING功能去修改。

    我相信踏板應該沒壞,只是設定出問題。
     
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    midi mate的MIDI CHANNEL:1~16
    Triaxis的MIDI Channel沒看到...
    但我看到Triaxis也是可以mapped to 128 midi program ...
    這是否代表著Triaxis的MIDI Channel也是有16個??
    要是兩者MIDI Channel不一樣...那要怎麼去maping?可行嗎?

    剛剛看了Triaxis的手冊...發現這台也是個好物阿...
    有五顆管子好屌...不知道聲音怎樣?
    不過都是英文看的好囧...
     
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  12. wizardma

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    正常MIDI設備都是可以支援16個MIDI Channel,但是你必須指定一個Channel,這樣子才能夠溝通。就像電視轉台一樣轉到對的台才能看你想看的電視。所以MIDI MATE要設在CHANNEL 1,Triaxis也要設在CHANNEL 1,只要兩個對上了,MIDI MATE送的指令才會被翻譯。Triaxis英文手冊第四頁就有提到如設定MIDI CHANNEL。

    而MIDI MATE必須設定在能夠送出Program Change的模式。Control Change模式比較少用到。Program和Controlller的差異在給你的網頁已經有解釋。

    解釋一下MIDI信息的格式

    MIDI信息分為兩大類,一個是頻道信息,一個是系統信息。
    頻道信息又分聲音(Voice)信息,和模式(MODE)信息。
    MIDI音樂用來發出聲音和一部份控制的命令都包含在VOICE裡面。

    MIDI的信息通常是由2~3個Byte的數字組成。數字是16進位。
    直接講重點,Program Change的命令格式是兩個Byte,寫成十六進位就是Cx nn。
    C是代表十進位的12,MIDI中的意義是Program Change。x可以是0~F(0~15),也就是Channel 1~16。
    nn是00~7F(0~127),就是Program Number 0~127。
    今天我要讓Triaxis知道這個命令的意思,首先就是要設定兩個設備的Channel,要一樣(另外一種方式不說明)。假設都設成Channel 1(x=0)。這樣才有控制的能力。假如我要呼叫Triaxis第48組Preset,那我就要送出 C0 2F這個指令。
    2F是47的十六進位表示法。實際顯示的記憶號碼會比命令中的呼叫號碼多一。因為為電腦的數字都是從0開始數,人類習慣從1開始數,所以電腦的0~127會轉成人的1~128。Channel 1~16實際上是0~15。

    講這麼多廢話,不知道有沒有幫助。希望閣下多用心點,繼續加油。
     
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    關於MIDI的格式真是精闢的講解...又上了一課...
    再請教CH的設定...是否只要midimate的ch1 =>Triaxis的ch1時...
    只要各對準一個CH就夠了嗎??
    這樣midimate的ch1 這一個Channel就專門負責Triaxis的128組Program Change嗎...
    下面midimate還有其他的Program Change MIDI Channel ...就是可以再設定其他5台的rack囉??
    S1CH (OFF, 1-16) Set 1 Program Change MIDI Channel
    S2CH (OFF, 1-16) Set 2 Program Change MIDI Channel
    S3CH (OFF, 1-16) Set 3 Program Change MIDI Channel
    S4CH (OFF, 1-16) Set 4 Program Change MIDI Channel
    S5CH (OFF, 1-16) Set 5 Program Change MIDI Channel
    S6CH (OFF, 1-16) Set 6 Program Change MIDI Channel
    B5CH (OFF, 1-16) Button 5 Control Change MIDI Channel
    B6CH (OFF, 1-16) Button 6 Control Change MIDI Channel
    B7CH (OFF, 1-16) Button 7 Control Change MIDI Channel
    B8CH (OFF, 1-16) Button 8 Control Change MIDI Channel
    B9CH (OFF, 1-16) Button 9 Control Change MIDI Channel
    PEDC (OFF, 1-16) Pedal Control Change MIDI Channel


    我...我盡量消化中...抽個菸整理一下...我快連我要問的都打不出來了...
     
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    通常一台機器只能指定一個CHANNEL,所有的控制命令都在該CHANNEL完成。而機器可以提供1~16個CHANNEL供使用者指定,並不是同時擁有16個CHANNEL在動作。所以不能說誰誰誰的CHANNEL 1。應該說誰誰誰設定在CHANNEL 1。如果要機器忽略CHANNEL設定,所有CHANNEL指令通吃的話,必須將受控機器設成OMNI模式。


    高階的MIDI踏板在一個按鍵事件中可以發送相當多MIDI信息,且可以指定個別的CHANNEL,如果可同時指定六個CHANNEL(六個信息),那麼就可以控制六台以上不一樣的機器(其中有些機器的CHANNEL可以重複)。

    打個比方,我可以設定踩一個按鈕時送出
    "呼叫PREAMP 音色20 "
    "呼叫空間效果音色 1"
    "關閉DEALY效果"
    "音量增加"
    "LOOP 2 OFF"

    這些可以個別指定CHANNEL(假設機器很多台)
    也可以全部同一個CHANNEL,
    只要用MIDI MAPPING功能,並詳細規劃設定所有機器的MIDI控制功能即可。

    你列出的功能我可以看出按鍵前五個是呼叫音色的,
    後五個是做Controller控制的,這個功能可以用來開關效果。
     
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    fulank li New Member

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    我找到我的問題了....我雖然知道兩台都是16channel,但是我沒弄清楚midi mate上的設定步驟的意義,現在終於可以用了,各位大大的貼文我先消化一下....
     
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    C0 2F其中的C位置是不是也有16種動作可供選擇?
     
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    C是Program Change
    B是Control Change

    你的設備大概只支援這兩種,其他是關於音符的發聲,停止。效果器並不支援。那是音源器或者KEYBOARD,編曲機之類的器材才有辦法支援。
     
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    我終於了解這些MIDI設備的分別了...

    感謝w大的解說
     
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    以下是來自ROCKTRON公司客服的解說,希望對您有幫助

    I'm not real sure exactly what your using these upper buttons for but
    sometimes I see users forget to assign them to a midi channel, then set a
    controller number to each switch matching a parameter within a processor to
    control. Below is a complete example of what needs to be done in most cases.

    . Assigning control change commands to bring effects or even pre-wired
    pedals in and out of the chain.

    This is similar to setting up an expression pedal but instead we are going
    to set up individual switches on the foot controller to bring effects
    like, chorus, delay and reverb in and out of the signal path without changing
    presets. This is similar to having a handful of stomp boxes. This
    procedure can take a lot of time depending on how many presets you may use and in
    fact if you find yourself normally just scrolling up and down thru all of
    your processors presets I would not recommend this as it can be very time
    consuming to do this to 127 presets.

    This can be done with many brands of gear it is just a matter of matching
    the control change numbers to a button on the foot controller and
    assigning the same number on your processors parameter in the controller
    assignment section. You will also need to make sure you have each switch on the
    foot controller set for the processors MIDI channel or channels if
    controlling multiple units with one foot controller. When using a looper/switcher
    the loops or switch functions can bring pre-wires effects in and out of the
    signal path as well as switching channels a standard analog switching amp.

    Here are the exact steps to take with a Rocktron Midi Mate and Rocktron
    processor. This works great for units like the Rocktron Chameleon and Voodu
    Valve but the process is the same with nearly any MIDI device.

    On the Rocktron Midi Mate
    Hit 2nd once
    Hit #6 twice and the display will scroll MIDI channels and stop at S1CH
    1
    Hit #6, six times paging thru until you get to B5CH OFF
    Use the bank/adjust switches and set the Midi channel for button 5 to 1,
    B5CH 1
    Hit #6 and go to B6CH OFF
    Again use the bank/adjust switches and set for channel 1, B6CH 1
    Hit #6 once again and set button 7, continue this until you have buttons 5
    thru 9 all assigned to channel 1 or what ever MIDI channel you have the
    processor assigned to.
    Once button 9 has been set hit #6 twice more to get to the controller
    assignments section. The display will stop at PEDCH OFF
    You may want to consult your units manual first for a list of controller
    assignments that may be already assigned and set the foot controllers
    switches to match your units pre-assigned control change numbers.
    Hit #6 twice to BTN5 OFF
    Use the bank/adjust switches and set for controller number 11, BTN5 11
    Hit #6 once to BTN6 OFF
    Use the bank/adjust switches and set for controller number 12, BTN6 12
    Hit #6 once to BTN7 OFF
    Use the bank/adjust switches and set for controller number 13, BTN7 13
    Hit #6 once to BTN8 OFF
    Use the bank/adjust switches and set for controller number 14, BTN8 14
    Hit #6 once to BTN9 OFF
    Use the bank/adjust switches and set for controller number 15, BTN9 15
    Hit 2nd to exit the editing mode.

    All of these settings are global and do not need to be programmed again.
    The rest of the work will need to be done at your processor to match the
    controller number now assigned to the switches to a parameter within the
    processor to switch on and off. If you are using a Rocktron Chameleon or
    Voodu Valve these units already have these control change numbers assigned.

    CC#11 would be the Voodu Valves first effect like, chorus, pitch shift,
    tremolo, or wah depending on the preset.
    CC#12 will be for delay on/off
    CC#13 will be reverb on/off
    CC#14 will mute the sound
    CC#15 will control the tap delay on the Voodu Valve. Chameleon does not
    have tap function.

    You will now need to program each preset on both the processor and foot
    controller. Because the foot controller does not know what effects are on or
    off you must go thru each preset on the processor or Voodu Valve and store
    every effect to OFF. Once this is done you can set up each preset at the
    Midi Mate so the effect can appear on or off in the state you want for each
    preset.

    On the Midi Mate
    Recall preset 1
    Go to CONTROLLER MODE
    Select from the upper switches 5 thru 9 which effects you would like on
    for this preset. Let*s say delay and reverb.
    Turn on switch 6 and 7
    Hit 2nd
    Hit store
    Now when you select preset 1 on the Midi Mate you will see buttons 6 and 7
    light turning the delay and reverb on when the preset is recalled. You can
    also turn them off or set the delay time from button 9 controlling the tap
    function or even mute the sound on button 8 to switch guitars.

    Repeat these steps for each preset you use.


    Jim
     

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