因為受夠了各種現場的狀況的鳥氣如 音控師feeling不match或器材限制(mic不夠, mixer軌數不夠或line out線不夠)等等條件, 我們樂團決定要買一台方便攜帶的16軌混音器以利在台上自己把各樂器的輸出含主唱的mic接一接各樂器音量調好再給出左右各一輸出給現場的PA或mixer.... 請問這種想法會很蠢嗎? 因為是外行不知該如何選購適合的mixer請教各位囉...TKS!!
ANGUS, 你的動機是對的.... 但為了完整的落實,,,最好再想一下......你挑的16軌混音器能夠處理你的問題嗎 ？？？ Live現場的Audio system 簡單說分兩組... #1 Stage monitor mix 就是wedges,cabs,in-EAR ,,,,等,讓Musicans聽的 fold back !! #2 Front of House mix 現場聽眾聽的program mix from PA system,,,,, 這兩個mixs 不太可能一致,,,除了input channels 的數目要夠 ,,,一般來說Monitor mixer 要有足夠的AUX out bus outs 去給每一個樂手單獨的monitor mix for performance,,,, 現在的Live audio desks 常應用"digital recalled scenes"來提高setting 時的工作效率.....你應可參考Digital Mixers......
</font><blockquote>引言:</font><hr />原留言人 Mr72: ANGUS, </font>[/QUOTE]>...Live現場的Audio system 簡單說分兩組... =>嗄..我以為現場的mixer只會有一個...,如果不是很專業的場子現場只有一台mixer時, stage上的monitor 喇叭是從其mixer的output直接拉過來的嗎? >....Monitor mixer 要有足夠的AUX out bus outs 去給每一個樂手單獨的.... =>如果台上只拉左右各一個monitor speaker收大家的聲音後一起由此2個speaker撥放出來, 效果好嗎? (因為有些場子很克難不提供台上監聽功能且自己經費有限只想了不起再多買個後及amp跟2個監聽喇叭的狀況下考量)
回ANGUS, </font><blockquote>引言:</font><hr />,,不是很專業的場子現場只有一台mixer時, stage上的monitor 喇叭是從其mixer的output直接拉過來的嗎? </font>[/QUOTE]一般來說,,,可能不宜....... </font><blockquote>引言:</font><hr /> 如果台上只拉左右各一個monitor speaker收大家的聲音後一起由此2個speaker撥放出來, 效果好嗎?</font>[/QUOTE]其實我不能說一定不會好,,,,有時得看場地or 內容....... Anyway,..我建議你先借一部至少有2 Aux send 的ST mixer... 用AUX 1 & 2 send out a "monitor mix" to monitor wedge L & R......用Stereo mix out 送PA system..... 舞台小的場,,,monitor mix 只要送"聽不到"的聲音就好... 比如說Drum kit也許只送Hihat 到wedge,Bass 只送GT player side's wedge.Gt 只送Bass player side's wedge..a louder vox for whole band,,,,, 理想的情況是,,,Wedge出來的monitor mix 和Drum kit,GT,Bass Amp 的直接聲音,和成一個讓表演者可以表演的balance !!....... 此外,,monitor speakers的音量不宜太大,,,,容易造成feed back 且傷耳朵,,,,,,, 理論上是如此啦.....不會太容易就是了!!
Mr.72 Thanks for your patient of answer my questions: </font><blockquote>引言:</font><hr />,,不是很專業的場子現場只有一台mixer時, stage上的monitor 喇叭是從其mixer的output直接拉過來的嗎? </font>[/QUOTE]一般來說,,,可能不宜....... =>請問未什麼不宜?
Mr. 72: 昨天down了一些有關 '如何選購數位mixer'文章回去看, 現在已稍有概念了, 不過還是有點慌因為大部分文章都是談mixer如何與錄音/做midi音樂等搭配選擇運用相關問題介紹, 對於我想運用在現場的相關訊息知識不太match, 不知可否介紹我一些網站去參考...或乾脆推薦一些符合我需求的mixer讓我可縮小評估範圍 感激不盡....
ANGUS, My chinese input kit is not working,,,I have to reply you in English ,,,,this might cost you some reading!!....... A stage monitor system is a separate set of speakers aimed toward the stage rather than toward the house. Generally, each monitor speaker is for a single musician or maybe a few musicians. A separate power amp channel and equalizer are required for each monitor mix. What is a monitor mix? Simply put, it is a blend of instruments, vocals, and/or special effects specially tailored to the person the mix is assigned to. For example, in order for a lead vocalist to stay on pitch and on cue, he or she may need to hear mostly keyboard and background vocals. On the other hand, a bass player may need to hear the kick drum, and the drummer may need to hear the bass guitar. Similarly, the guitar player may need to hear both of these while the keyboard player might need to hear the lead vocal and guitar. For such a wide variety of separate monitor mixes, a monitor mixing console with a matrix of multiple outputs and a second engineer is usually preferred by most pros. But if compromise is necessary, monitors can easily be mixed from the main house console and the house engineer can double as the monitor engineer. To accomplish this, a console with several pre-fade auxiliary sends is required. A pre-fade send is one where the signal is routed away from the input channel before it reaches the input channel fader. In this manner, channel fader adjustments that are intended to fine tune the house mix will not distract performers on stage. For most performing groups, four monitor mixes are satisfactory and this number of pre-fade aux sends is readily available in most 24 channel or larger consoles. Please also check this article link for a better monitor mix...... http://www.churchsoundcheck.com/htmm.html Wedge is just another word for monitor speaker,,,, It is not easy to always get a good monitor mix on stage for everyone,,,even in pro field,,,So I reckon "gears" is less important than "know how" in your case !!! Do make sure you understood "What I need" before decide "What I want".......
</font><blockquote>引言:</font><hr />原留言人 Mr72: ANGUS, My chinese input kit is not working,,,I have to reply you in English ,,,,this might cost you some reading!!....... </font>[/QUOTE]Mr72: To my surprised you are a foreigner ! The knowledge is expesive not only $ but time so to get more time to reading in English is my problem not your, due to my English not really good so I just asking you to use simply sentence and explain slang ASAP TKS!! By the way, did I need to post quesion in English too ?
</font><blockquote>引言:</font><hr /> To my surprised you are a foreigner ! </font>[/QUOTE]@_@ </font><blockquote>引言:</font><hr /> By the way, did I need to post quesion in English too ? </font>[/QUOTE]你可以破中文吧~因為他是多國語言翻譯機...
To ANGUS 你用中文OK啦,,,,,,只是有些東西我實在不瞭中文怎麼翻,,,,所以我就用英文啦,,且我的中打爛到自己都覺得可恥!!!.....不過,,,我是台灣人啦!! 好像沒幫上忙,,,,不如你把你們團的編制or channel inputs列一下,,,我再給建議啦..... 16 chs 的Live mixer我會買這個.....MIDAS Venice-160 http://www.midas-venice.com/main.html# To hua, 過獎了,,,,,,人在江湖,"聲"不由己.....
Dear Mr. 72 請幫我建議該如何做 TKS!! ^-^ Self Mixer input req.: 1st E.GT x 2CH Muti-eff. L & R Out or AMP mono line out 2nd E.GT x 2CH Muti-eff. L & R Out or AMP mono line out Keyboard x 2CH L & R Out or AMP mono line out Bass x 1CH AMP mono line out Drums x 3CH pick up by MIC 合音 x 2CH pick up by MIC 主唱 x 1CH pick up by MIC Self Mixer output req.: Master out x 2CH stereo out to器材不夠或不是很專業的現場的mixer or PA or 勉強像PA的設備.... Monitor out 2CH(at least) 如果現場不提供monitor speaker, 要自己帶時 用
看來inputs 不多,,,還能接個reverbs 給vocal,,,,any common mixer could get your job done... 如果選一台有4 aux send (lets say 2 Monos & 1 Stereo)的16chs mixer.... #1 你可以用2 Mono aux 送 efx,,,如reverbs #2 用 Stereo aux 接 monitor system,,用Stereo aux 的knobs 作一個monitor mix...給舞台上的人監聽 #3 用 Stereo Mix out 接PA system,用fadres作一個 FOH mix 給觀眾聽.......... #2 的重點在讓每個player都可以聽到想聽的樂器,,,如果不算"和聲",,,,貴團若每個人聽的monitor mix balance 都不同,,,,那你就最好有 6 個 aux send in total for 1 1st gt 2 2nd gt 3 KB 4 Bass 5 Drummer 6 Vocal............... #3 的重點在你們想讓聽眾聽到的 music balance,,,, 大概如此吧,,,,,,,如果你選像Y 牌O1V 類的digital mixer,,你省下一堆EQs,Dynamics sections,and Effect units.....
About #2 有個不情之請...可否show簡單的接線圖給我看? 嗯..O1V 幾天前上網看過只是沒把握是否真的適用不過經過你的講解該再回頭仔細看一下他的規格囉...不過這台大概市價多少? 台北到哪些地方看mixer可以建議一下嗎? 選用"POWER MIXER" (如EMX-5000-20) 適合嗎? 是不是買這種mixer就可以不用再多帶一台後級給monitor SP了呢?
</font><blockquote>引言:</font><hr /> #2 有個不情之請...可否show簡單的接線圖 </font>[/QUOTE]沒啥特別啊,,,,就是把Aux send out 接到 Monitor Power amp input 啊.........Stereo 監聽就接兩路,,,6 個樂手聽六個獨立的monitors 就接6 路啊!!!.......從監聽speaker裡作banlance.... </font><blockquote>引言:</font><hr /> "POWER MIXER" 適合嗎? 是不是買這種mixer就可以不用再多帶一台後級給monitor SP了呢? </font>[/QUOTE]通常Powermixer的Power Amp是在Stereo Mix outputs,,,, 如果用aux 作monitor mix 就沒用了........ ANGUS,我無法建議"選擇".........也不太了行情.. 你先別急著買,,,"會不會用"才是重點!!,,,,, 先租or借一部類似的mixer自己試試 ,,看情況有改善嗎先,,,,,,一台mixer並無法解決所有monitor system 的問題........ Monitor Mix 不是想像中那麼容易做,,,,,常常動不動就用16個aux bus 還沒辦法滿足所有人......